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Showing posts with label butane. Show all posts
Showing posts with label butane. Show all posts

Wednesday, 18 January 2012

Butane Adapters III -- Upright Canister Stoves

Posted on 10:15 by Unknown
The last two adapters I reviewed (see:  Butane Adapter Warning and Butane Adapters II) were really for remote canister stoves -- stoves where the fuel and the burner are physically separate and a fuel hose runs between the two.

What about upright canister stoves, what's available for them?   An upright canister stove is the type where the stove screws right into the top of the canister.  With a "long" canister like the cheap 100% butane ones, it's most practical to lay them on their side -- which would leave your stove pointing sideways.  What we need is an adapter with a 90° angle.

Turns out there is just such an adapter.
A butane adapter intended for upright canister stoves
This one, unlike the last two, isn't too bad.  Let's have a look.

The legs fold up underneath for storage.  Nice feature.
A butane adapter for upright canister stoves with the legs folded underneath.
How does it work?  Like the last adapter I reviewed, this adapter has two hooks, a larger and a smaller.
This butane adapter has two hooks, a larger one (bottom) and a smaller one (top).
The larger hook at the bottom clips onto the collar around the valve on the canister.  The smaller hook fits through the notch on the canister.
The smaller hook fits through the notch on the canister.
The canister is then rotated about 1/16th of a turn to the right, locking the canister in place.
A canister rotated and locked into place on the butane adapter.
The top of the adapter has a threaded connector, a connector that is the equivalent of the connector on the top of a standard threaded canister.  One nice thing about this adapter is that there is a valve inside the adapter.  In other words, if you hook up a canister of gas, it won't spray all over if you didn't hook up the stove first.
The threaded connector on top of a three legged butane adapter.
Note that the body of the adapter is plastic.  I have read reports on the internet of the plastic melting when used with a larger pan, particularly with simmering type cooking.  Use caution on long, slow burns, particularly with larger pots and pans.  Larger pots and pans may reflect a lot of heat back to the adapter.  I have not personally had any problems with the plastic melting.  If one were using a stove that has a significant amount of thermal feedback, perhaps something like a Coleman F1, there might be melting problems.  A melted adapter could cause a gas explosion.  Monitor the adapter closely the first time you use it with any given stove.  

Well, let's hook it up and see how it goes.  Today's stove is a Markill Hot Rod.  Note the striking similarity of the burner to the burner on a Vargo Jet-Ti, a Kovea SupaLite, and a Snow Peak LiteMax.  Note also the similarity of the valve to the Snow Peak GigaPower (GS-100) stove.  Apparently, stove companies contract out their work to a relative few factories in Korea and China.
A Markill Hot Rod upright canister stove
Ah.  There we are, all hooked up.
An upright canister stove hooked to a cheap 100% butane canister via a three legged butane adapter.
And, when we open the valve on the stove, it fires up nicely.
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An upright canister stove running on cheap 100% butane.
Stoves lose a great deal of efficiency if there's any wind, so I normally use a windscreen.
A windscreen in use with a stove running with a butane adapter.
With a windscreen, you could get heat build up that could a) could melt the plastic adapter or worse b) overheat the canister.  Overheating a canister could result in a catastrophic explosion.  Monitor the canister temperature frequently and consistently with your hand.  If it feels hot, TURN IT DOWN immediately or open up the windscreen more.

I experienced no problems with the set up above on a relatively cool day (approx. 50F/10C ambient temperature), with the stove shown.   Every day and every stove is different.  Monitor your stove closely.

DISCUSSION
This adapter is clearly the best of the lot.  It has an internal valve so you won't spray butane all over if you forget to hook up the stove first.  It has legs that are reasonably stable and prevent the canister from rolling.  Recall that if the canister rolls, you could have a dangerous, uncontrolled flare.  I can see that this adapter could be useful for day hikes, picnics, car camping, motor touring, etc. in warm weather (recall that 100% butane needs to be at or above 40F/5C for there to be sufficient operating pressure and that the canister will chill with use).

However, for serious backpacking, I don't see it, at least for me.  First, it's extra weight (78g/2.75oz).  Second, it's more bulk.  Third, it's extra fiddling (not bad though).  Lastly, that connection is not as secure as a regular backpacking connection.  In field conditions, could that connection work loose?  Somewhat unlikely, but it could happen, and that could be bad, very bad, if the gas were to continue to flow but the connection were loose.  Something to at least consider.

I will give this adapter a somewhat tentative "recommended" rating.  It is up to the individual to determine whether the adapter is useful for his or her particular style of stove use.

Thanks for joining me on another Adventure in Stoving.

HJ

Technical Appendix -- Weights

Here is a table of weights of some of the adapters and accessories I have recently discussed.
Brunton Canister Stand       19g/0.67oz
Butane adapter, no legs      29g/1.02oz
Butane adapter, two legs     38g/1.34oz
Butane adapter, three legs   78g/2.75oz
Kovea propane adapter       105g/3.70oz
Brunton Stove Stand         145g/5.11oz
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Tuesday, 17 January 2012

Butane Adapters II

Posted on 22:12 by Unknown
In my last post, I took a look at one of the various butane adapters on the market.  In this post, I'd like to take a quick look at another type of butane adapter, the type with two legs as shown in the photo below.
A two legged butane adapter (lying on it's back)
This type of adapter has a larger hook that hooks onto the collar of the butane canister and a second, smaller hook that fits through the notch in the collar of the canister.
This type of butane adapter has a large hook (bottom) and a smaller hook (top).  The smaller hook fits through the notch in the collar of a butane canister.
To fit the adapter onto the butane canister, we turn the adapter 180 degrees from it's position as seen in the photo above, fit the large hook over the collar on the canister, fit the small hook through the notch, and rotate the canister approximately 1/16th turn to the right.  We then have something that looks like the below photo.  CAUTION:  There is no valve inside the butane adapter.  As soon as you put it on the canister, butane will start coming out.  For this photo, I used an empty canister.  In real life, attach the stove first, then attach the canister.
A butane two legged butane adapter fitted onto an empty butane canister. 
Now notice that unlike the butane adapter in my last blog post, this adapter has two legs.  This is good.  The two legs prevent the canister from rolling -- which could cause a very nasty flare.

You then hook the fuel hose from your gas stove to the adapter as shown below.
A butane adapter, attached to a butane canister with a stove's fuel hose attached to the adapter.
OK, so in the above configuration, you're all set to go.  Uh, except for one little thing.  These adapters are shoddy junk.  Yep, the legs are the right idea, but beyond that, the thing is junk.  They're loose and they rattle.  Worse still, they leak.  Nice legs, but there's no way that I can recommend these.  I've seen one of these that was fine, but every other one of them as been loose, shoddy junk.

Now, I got mine on eBay from a seller called Plus2City from Hong Kong.  Plus2City also appears to be behind a couple of other online sellers that sell this type of adapter.  All of the adapters from Plus2City and allied sellers appear to be worthless (or worse, dangerous) junk.  Maybe there's some other source that is producing good quality adapters of this type, but I haven't seen any yet.  Sorry to be so blunt, Plus2City, but clean up your act, and I'll put up a much nicer post.  What you're selling now is junk at best and dangerous at worst.

Butane adapters of this type are definitely not recommended.

HJ
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Monday, 16 January 2012

Butane Adapter WARNING

Posted on 17:29 by Unknown
A butane adapter can be a nice thing to have.  I mean, if the weather's warm, why not just use cheap 100% butane canisters with your backpacking stove?  Cheap 227g butane canisters are available for about $1.25 at the cheaper stores whereas backpacking canisters usually sell for about $6.00 for the same amount of fuel.

There is however a butane adapter being sold that can be really DANGEROUS if you don't know what you're doing.

I've seen a few different colors, but most are black and look something like the below.
A butane adapter -- POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS
These adapters allow one to mate a cheap 100% butane canister with a standard threaded backpacking stove.
A cheap 100% butane canister of the type frequently used in restaurants for table side cooking
These butane adapters have a protruding "lug" on them.  THIS LUG IS IMPORTANT.
The lug on this adapter can be seen near the top of the photo.
The lug must remain pointed up whenever a stove is in operation.  Let me explain why and what happens if you mess this up.  The lug fits into a gap on the collar of the butane canister.
A butane canister (left) has a notch that the lug on the adapter (right) fits into
OK, let's hook the adapter to a backpacking stove's fuel hose.  ALWAYS hook up the stove first and the canister last.  There is no valve inside this adapter.  If you hook up the canister first, butane will spew out in an uncontrolled fashion.
A butane adapter attached to the valve on the end of a backpacking stove's fuel hose.
OK, we're all set, let's hook up the canister.
A butane canister mated to a backpacking stove via a butane adapter.
Note how the "lug" separates.  Part of the lug stays in the notch in the collar and part of the lug rotates to the right.  The part of the lug that stays in the canister needs to stay pointing straight up.

OK, we're all hooked up.  Let's fire it up.
A backpacking stove running off of a cheap 100% butane canister
Well, heck, looks fine to me.  So what's the problem?

I'll tell you what the problem is.  Remember in the photo above how I said that the lug needs to point at the sky?  What prevents the canister from rolling over?  NOTHING.  That's right.  There is absolutely nothing that prevents that canister from rolling or turning in some fashion.  And what happens if the canister rolls?
The stove flares up uncontrollably if the canister rolls over.
WHOOMPH!  If the canister rotates or rolls for any reason, almost instantly, the nice well behaved flames we saw in the previous photo can turn into the big yellow flames seen immediately above.  Note that the above photo was taken after the flames had settled down a bit.  I knew it would flare, and I was expecting it (I turned the canister deliberately).  Still, I was surprised at just how BIG the flare was.  The flare extended out at least a foot (~30cm), maybe more on the downwind side.  Uh, hope you weren't leaning over the stove to check the stew when the canister rolled.

Why does it flare?  There's a fixed position plastic tube inside the canister.  The plastic tube points up, up toward that notch you saw in the collar of the canister.  The plastic tube is designed to suck vapor -- which it does quite well so long as the canister is oriented with the notch up.  But recall that the majority of the fuel in a canister is in liquid form.  If the canister rolls a bit, then suddenly the tube is plunged below the surface of the liquid, and liquid fuel is squirted into the burner.  Whoomph!  A flare erupts.
A butane canister valve assembly.  The notch should always face UP.
I believe that the adapter shown is fundamentally unsafe if the canister is laid on its side -- which is the most desirable way to use a tall canister.  A harsh judgement, I realize, but there just is nothing to prevent that canister from rotating and flaring.

What's that?  If your stove has a pre-heat loop, wouldn't it be OK?  Well, yes, but you'd better make sure the canister doesn't roll until the stove is warmed up.  Yes, you could use this type of canister in side laying mode on a stove with a pre heat mechanism -- if you were careful.  So be careful.

I believe this type of adapter is safe if the canister is standing up.  I strongly recommend that you use something like a Brunton Can Stand like the one shown in the photo below to stabilize the canister.  If the canister were to fall over, a dangerous, uncontrolled flare would result.
A butane canister, upright, stabilized by a Brunton Can Stand
That's my warning.  This adapter is generally not recommended.

Thank you for joining me on another Adventure in Stoving.

HJ

SUMMARY
1.  The adapter is well made, but it's too easy for the canister to roll accidentally which could cause a serious flare.  Therefore, this adapter is generally not recommended.
2.  Never use this adapter with a side laying canister on a stove without a preheat mechanism (generator).
3.  If you are cautious, you could use this adapter on a stove with a preheat mechanism (generator), but be aware that it's very easy for this type of canister to go into liquid feed mode accidentally which could trigger a flare if your stove hasn't warmed up yet.
4.  This adapter is safe if the canister is used in the fully upright position, so long as the canister doesn't fall over.  I strongly recommend that you use some means to prevent the canister from tipping over.
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Sunday, 4 December 2011

Fuel Price Guide (Dec. 2011)

Posted on 21:29 by Unknown
Who's got the deals?  Who's ripping you off?  Take a look at the following fuel prices to see what's out there -- and compare it to what you're paying.  Exceptional deals are show in red colored type.

Note:  The following are fuel prices that I observed in person at the retailer listed on the date shown.  Be aware that sometimes I make mistakes and that sometimes retailers change prices.   All prices are shown in US dollars (USD).  All observations were made in and around Los Angeles, CA, USA.

I.  White Gasoline (Coleman Type Fuel) 
Big 5 Sporting Goods
(03 Dec 2011)
Coleman        Gallon  $11.99
 
REI (Recreational Equipment, Inc.)
(03 Dec 2011)
Crown          Quart   $ 8.00
MSR            Quart   $12.95
Crown          Gallon  $14.00
Coleman        Gallon  $11.95

Sport Chalet
(05 Dec 2011)
Coleman        Quart   $ 6.97
MSR            Quart   $ 9.99
Coleman        Gallon  $10.97

Sports Authority
(05 Dec 2011)
Coleman        Quart   $ 6.99

Wal-Mart
(19 Nov 2011)
Coleman        Quart   $ 5.88
Coleman        Gallon  $ 9.68

II.  Gas (propane, isobutane, butane)
Big 5 Sporting Goods
(03 Dec 2011)
Camping Gaz    190g    $4.99    $0.0263/gram
Coleman        220g    $6.99    $0.0318/gram
Camping Gaz    230g    $6.99    $0.0303/gram (that price makes no sense compared to the 450g size, but that's what they quoted me)
Primus         230g    $5.99    $0.0260/gram
Camping Gaz*   450g    $6.99    $0.0155/gram
Coleman        465g    $4.49    $0.0097/gram (100% propane)
Worthington-2  465g    $8.99    $0.0097/gram (100% propane) (Two Pack)


REI (Recreational Equipment, Inc.)
(03 Dec 2011)
JetBoil        100g    $4.95    $0.0495/gram
Snow Peak      110g    $4.50    $0.0409/gram
MSR            113g    $4.95    $0.0438/gram
Snow Peak      220g    $5.50    $0.0250/gram 
MSR            227g    $5.95    $0.0262/gram 
JetBoil        230g    $5.95    $0.0259/gram
JetBoil        450g    $9.95    $0.0221/gram
Coleman        465g     Out of stock 03 Dec 2011

Sport Chalet
(05 Dec 2011)
JetBoil        100g    $4.99    $0.0499/gram
Optimus*       110g    $3.95    $0.0359/gram
Snow Peak      110g     Discontinued at Sport Chalet
MSR            113g    $3.99    $0.0353/gram
Optimus*       220g    $4.45    $0.0202/gram
Snow Peak      220g    $5.50    $0.0250/gram
MSR            227g    $4.99    $0.0220/gram  Updated 11 Jan 2012
Camping Gaz*   230g    $4.99    $0.0217/gram  
JetBoil        230g    $5.99    $0.0260/gram    
Camping Gaz*   450g    $6.99    $0.0155/gram
JetBoil        450g    $9.99    $0.0222/gram
Coleman        465g    $2.97    $0.0063/gram  (100% propane)

Sports Authority
(05 Dec 2011)
JetBoil        100g    $4.99    $0.0499/gram
MSR            113g    $4.99    $0.0441/gram 
Coleman*       220g    $6.99    $0.0318/gram
MSR            227g    $5.99    $0.0264/gram    
Coleman        465g    $2.99    $0.0064/gram  (100% propane)
Coleman-2      465gX2  $5.69    $0.0061/gram  (100% propane) (Two Pack)

Wal-Mart
(19 Nov 2011)
Coleman*       220g    $4.88    $0.0221/gram
Coleman        465g    $2.86    $0.0061/gram  (100% propane)
Worthington-2  465gX2  $5.12    $0.0055/gram  (100% propane) (Two Pack)

*NOT recommended for use below 50F/10C.  Why? See:  What's the Best Brand of Gas for Cold Weather?


III.  Kerosene or Kerosene "substitute"
Wal-Mart
(19 Nov 2011)
Coleman                      Quart   $ 5.88 ($23.52/gallon)

IV.  Alcohol
Home Depot
(28 Dec 2011)
Klean Strip SLX Denatured    Gallon  $15.98
Klean Strip Green Denatured  Quart   $ 6.69 ($26.76/gallon)

Wal-Mart
(28 Dec 2011)
Yellow HEET (methanol) 12oz  12pk    $16.44 ($14.61/gallon)


I hope you find the information helpful,

HJ
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