Firelite Tech Support

  • Subscribe to our RSS feed.
  • Twitter
  • StumbleUpon
  • Reddit
  • Facebook
  • Digg

Friday, 6 April 2012

How Much White Gas Do I Need?

Posted on 12:17 by Unknown
How much white gas should you bring on your trip?  That's actually going to depend a lot on your style of cooking, your stove, the conditions, etc, but let's take a look and see what we can come up with.

The white gas stove I've used the most is my MSR Whisperlite.  I'll be using my experience with my Whisperlite to generate the numbers that follow.
My MSR Whisperlite
A word about style:  On most of my backpacking trips, I keep cooking fairly simple.  Most of the time, I'm boiling water for re-hydrating foods and making hot drinks.  I almost always have tea in the morning and cocoa in the evening.  I normally boil at least two cups and more typically three cups per boil.  Simmering for the most part is kept to a minimum, but I do simmer sometimes to re-hydrate things at higher altitudes.  I don't typically have a hot lunch, but I almost always have a hot breakfast and supper.

Over time, I've noticed that I use something on the order of 1.5 fl oz (44ml) of white gas on a solo trip per day.  For two people, I find my usage is something on the order of 2.25 fl oz (67ml) per day.  If I'm melting snow, I figure on roughly doubling those amounts.  These amounts include fuel used for priming.  These amounts are the amounts I expect to use.  Particularly in winter, you should plan for the unexpected.  I typically bring an extra day or two's worth of fuel on winter trips.

So what does that equate to in terms of fuel bottles?  There are a lot of different sized fuel bottles out there.  I'll list some common sizes, and you can hopefully adjust from there.

A note on fuel bottles:  MSR, Sigg, Primus, Optimus, Snow Peak, and Brunton fuel bottles all have the same threads and are generally interchangeable.  However, you should always test your particular stove with the particular fuel bottle you intend to use before your trip.  My Primus pump fits in my MSR fuel bottle, but the opposite is not true:  My MSR pump does not fit in my Primus bottle.  The threads on the Primus bottle are compatible, but the threads start down too low in the neck of the bottle for my MSR pump to engage.

Most manufacturers recommend that you use only their fuel bottles with their stove.  That's fine, and you can't go wrong with that, but that recommendation is more about legal liability than it is about the technical requirements of running a stove.  Generally, any fuel bottle designed by a reputable stove company for use with a pump should be fine, provided that it has compatible threads.
An Optimus Nova stove in use with an MSR fuel bottle.  Works just fine.
I would not use "no name" fuel bottles or drink bottles as a fuel bottle for a pressure stove.  Note: Coleman and Soto fuel bottles have proprietary threads and are not interchangeable with any other brands.

Now, fuel bottles:  I'm going to list MSR's bottle simply because that's what I have a lot of.  MSR has three bottles:
10 fl oz "working" capacity, 11 fl oz total capacity (300ml, 325ml)
20 fl oz working capacity, 22 fl oz total capacity (600ml, 650ml)
30 fl oz working capacity, 33 fl oz total capacity (900ml, 975ml)

Note that there is a "working" capacity and a total capacity.  Why two different capacities?  Well, when you run a pressure stove, you need some air space in the bottle for it to work right.  MSR always marks their bottles with a fill line.  Do not fill past the fill line.  The capacity up to the fill line is the working capacity.  The capacity up to the physical top of the bottle is the total capacity.  For running a stove, use the working capacity.  For storage and transport, you can fill the bottle to the total capacity.

Examples (assuming 1.5 fl oz/47ml per day)
10 fl oz (~300ml) = 6.5 days
20 fl oz (~600ml) = 13 days
30 fl oz (~900ml) = 20 days

For almost all of the trips that I've done, a 20 fl oz/600ml bottle has been plenty.
A 20 fl oz/600ml MSR bottle in use with an MSR XGK II stove
The only time I've really wanted a 30 fl oz/900ml bottle was when I was doing a lot of snow melting.  At home, I use 30 fl oz/900ml bottles for storage.  If I were going to buy just one bottle, I'd probably buy a 20 fl oz/600ml sized bottle.  For short trips, I'd carry a bottle with a lot of empty space in it.  for longer trips, I would fill the bottle.  If all you take is short or weekend trips, you might consider a 10 fl oz/300ml size.  If I did a lot of winter  trips, or wanted bottles for storage, the 30 fl oz/900ml size make a lot of sense.

Now, these are my numbers.  The only way you're going to know how much fuel you're going to use is to get out there and do some trips.  These numbers are somewhat conservative by design, but you might want to carry a little extra fuel until you get it dialed in.  Be aware that in windy and cold conditions, your fuel usage may go up.  Hopefully these numbers will give you some rough idea of how much fuel you might want to bring along.

I thank you for joining me on another Adventure in Stoving,

HJ
Email ThisBlogThis!Share to XShare to FacebookShare to Pinterest
Posted in coleman fuel, MSR super fuel, petrol, petrol stove, super fuel, superfuel, white gas, white gas stove, white gasoline | No comments
Newer Post Older Post Home

0 comments:

Post a Comment

Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom)

Popular Posts

  • The Kovea LPG (Propane) Adapter
    I recently picked something up that turns out to be pretty useful:  A Kovea LPG (Propane) Adapter.  This adapter allows one to run a standar...
  • Refilling Coleman PowerMax Canisters
    It's no secret that I like Coleman PowerMax gas canisters.  Note:  PowerMax canisters are called  just plain "Max" in some loc...
  • Stove of the Week: MSR Whisperlite Universal
    As previously announced and reported here on Adventures in Stoving, MSR is coming out with a new version of their Whisperlite stove, the W...
  • Stove of the Week: MSR Rapidfire
    OK, so this week's stove is a bit of a "sleeper" in the sense that it's not a stove that you would expect a lot from -- un...
  • The SuperGnat (Gaz *and* Threaded!)
    There are two types of modern gas canisters for backpacking (see  Backpacking Gas Canisters 101 ). Generally, stoves built for one type of c...
  • Stove of the Week: Hank Roberts Mini Stove, Mark III
    I happen to like my old Hank Roberts stove, a stove that dates back to the 1960's. It's in very nice condition. I have the Mark I...
  • The Hank Roberts Stove -- With a Proper Canister
    What's one of the most enduring designs of gas stoves? The Hank Roberts mini stove.  It's compact design truly makes it a pocket sto...
  • Stove of the Week: The Caldera Cone
    This week's stove is the Caldera Cone with 12-10 stove from Trail Designs . My review of the stove is available at Seattle Backpackers M...
  • 100% Propane for Backpacking? YES!
    What's the "holy grail" of canister gas for cold weather backpacking?  100% propane.  Propane is the best.  Plain butane won...
  • Stove of the Week: Primus Omnifuel
    If you want a stove that runs like a Swiss watch, then the Primus Omnifuel is your stove. It's precision engineering at it's best.  ...

Categories

  • 100% propane
  • 12-10
  • 12-10 burner
  • 2012
  • adapter
  • alcohol burner
  • alcohol fuel
  • alcohol stove
  • all fuel
  • all fuel stove
  • Appalachian Trail
  • AT
  • back country
  • backpacker
  • backpacking
  • backpacking canister
  • backpacking espresso
  • backpacking fuel
  • backpacking fuel prices
  • backpacking stove
  • beginner stove
  • best alcohol
  • best gas cold
  • best gas cold weather
  • best stove
  • blended fuel
  • blog status
  • boil
  • borde benzin brenner
  • borde bomb
  • borde stove
  • BPL
  • BPL Firelite
  • BPL Firelite 550
  • Bush Buddy
  • Bush Buddy Ultra
  • bushbuddy
  • bushbuddy ultra
  • butane
  • butane adapter
  • butane refill
  • butane stove
  • Caldera
  • Caldera Caddy
  • caldera cone
  • Caldera Cone Ti-Tri
  • Caldera Inferno
  • California Campfire Permit
  • Camp 5
  • camping
  • Camping Gaz
  • canister
  • canister cold
  • canister explosion
  • canister formats
  • canister gas
  • canister gas cold
  • canister refilling
  • canister stove
  • canisters
  • cartridge refill
  • cartridge stove
  • cat can stove
  • Cheap Deals
  • cleaning wood soot
  • Clikstand
  • cold
  • cold weather
  • cold weather gas
  • Coleman
  • coleman fuel
  • Coleman Max
  • Coleman PowerMax
  • Coleman Xpedition
  • Coleman Xpert
  • Coleman Xtreme
  • Crux
  • denatured alcohol
  • disk stove
  • EFI
  • Esbit
  • Espresso Star
  • ethanol
  • ethyl
  • Evernew
  • expedition
  • extreme cold
  • fast boil times
  • FeatherFire
  • fuel
  • fuel cube
  • fuel gauge
  • fuel price
  • fuel prices
  • fuel quantity
  • fuel tablet
  • gas
  • gas cartridge
  • gas cold weather
  • gas explosion
  • gas formats
  • gas gauge
  • gas refill
  • Gas stove
  • Gaz
  • gear
  • gear review
  • Gerry Stove
  • getting started
  • GigaPower
  • Gnat
  • GS-100
  • Hank Roberts
  • Hank Roberts Mini Mark III
  • Hank Roberts Mini Stove
  • heat exchanger
  • heat shield
  • HEET
  • hexamine
  • hexie
  • hiking
  • hybrid stove
  • Inferno option
  • integrated canister stove
  • Internationale
  • inverted canister
  • inverted gas
  • isobutane stove
  • JetBoil
  • JetBoil Cooking
  • JetBoil danger
  • JetBoil failure
  • Jetboil fry pan
  • JetBoil melt
  • Jetboil omelet
  • Jetboil omelette
  • Jetboil pan
  • JetBoil problem
  • JetBoil Sol
  • JetBoil Sol Ti
  • jetboil Sumo
  • KB-1006
  • kerosene
  • Kovea
  • Kovea Camp 4
  • Kovea Camp 5
  • Kovea Moonwalker
  • lighter
  • liquid feed
  • liquid feed gas
  • liquid fuel
  • Mark III
  • Max
  • melted heat exchanger
  • methanol
  • metho
  • metho stove
  • meths
  • meths stove
  • methyl
  • methylated spirits
  • micro regulator
  • micro rocket
  • microregulator
  • microrocket
  • mini bull
  • Mini Bull Designs
  • Mini Mark III
  • Mini Stove
  • minibull
  • Monotauk
  • Monotauk Gnat
  • Moonwalker
  • MSR
  • MSR canister
  • MSR Espresso Star
  • MSR micro rocket
  • MSR microrocket
  • MSR pocket rocket
  • MSR pocketrocket
  • MSR Rapidfire
  • msr reactor
  • MSR Simmerlite
  • MSR super fuel
  • MSR SuperFly
  • MSR Titan kettle
  • MSR Whisperlite
  • MSR whisperlite universal
  • MSR Windpro
  • MSR Windpro II
  • msr xgk
  • muka
  • muka od1-np
  • muka od1np
  • muka stove
  • Muka ストーブ
  • multi fuel
  • multifuel
  • n-butane
  • new
  • Nion 3
  • Nova
  • od-1np
  • od-1R
  • od1np
  • od1r
  • Omni Fuel
  • Omnifuel
  • open jet stove
  • Optimus
  • Optimus Crux
  • Optimus Nova
  • pack stove
  • PackaFeather
  • petrol
  • petrol stove
  • piezo
  • piezoelectric
  • pocket rocket
  • pocketrocket
  • pots
  • Powermax
  • PowerMax refilling
  • practical
  • pre shaker jet
  • pre-heat loop
  • pre-Katadyn
  • price
  • Primus
  • Primus Omnifuel
  • propane
  • propane adapter
  • propane backpacking
  • propane stove
  • radiation shield
  • Rapidfire
  • reactor
  • refill canister
  • refilling backpacking
  • refilling butane
  • remote canister
  • remote gas
  • review
  • side laying canister
  • simmer control
  • simmering
  • simmering alcohol
  • Simmerlite
  • snow melting
  • Snow Peak
  • SOD-300
  • SOD-371
  • SOD300
  • SOD371
  • Sol
  • Sol Ti
  • solid fuel
  • soto
  • soto microregulator
  • soto muka
  • soto od-1R
  • soto od1-np
  • soto od1np
  • Soto pocket torch
  • stove
  • stove fuel
  • stove review
  • super fuel
  • SuperFly
  • superfuel
  • SuperGnat
  • threaded canisters
  • ti wing
  • Ti-Tri
  • Tibetan Ti Wing Stove
  • tips
  • Titan kettle
  • titanium
  • top mount canister stove
  • top mounted canister stove
  • Trail Designs
  • Trangia
  • two burner
  • ultralight
  • Universal gas
  • unsafe
  • upright canister stove
  • warning
  • whisperlite
  • whisperlite universal
  • white gas
  • white gas stove
  • white gasoline
  • wind
  • Windpro
  • Windpro II
  • windscreen
  • windscreens
  • wood burner
  • wood cooking clean up
  • wood gas
  • wood gasification
  • wood stove
  • XGK
  • xgk ii
  • Xpedition
  • ボルドーバーナー

Blog Archive

  • ►  2013 (18)
    • ►  May (2)
    • ►  April (5)
    • ►  March (6)
    • ►  February (5)
  • ▼  2012 (54)
    • ►  September (2)
    • ►  June (3)
    • ▼  April (5)
      • Gas in Cold Weather: The Myth of "Fractioning"
      • Wood Cooking Clean Up
      • Blog Status, 8 Apr 2012
      • How Much White Gas Do I Need?
      • Canister Stoves 101: Thread Care
    • ►  March (12)
    • ►  February (13)
    • ►  January (19)
  • ►  2011 (65)
    • ►  December (15)
    • ►  November (13)
    • ►  October (7)
    • ►  September (3)
    • ►  August (5)
    • ►  July (2)
    • ►  June (3)
    • ►  May (2)
    • ►  April (1)
    • ►  March (5)
    • ►  February (5)
    • ►  January (4)
Powered by Blogger.

About Me

Unknown
View my complete profile